>_< What the hell is happening?

[spiralstairs.livejournal.com]

On E-bay, I found a halter top, a "punk" striped baby T, an Espirit knee skirt, a Lip Service straight skirt, a turtleneck, a short sleeve dress you could find at Hot Topic, and two maid accessories also labelled under 'fetish'. What's wrong with this picture? These are all under the keyword of 'gothic lolita' and are very clearly not. >_< All right, how many people understand what Gothic Lolita means and how many people are just trying to sell their crap?

While I'm at it, my apologies for those who are offended, but why are square dance dresses qualified as EGL? Honestly, it's cheap and not elegant at all. It's like buying a Prada bag from one of the street dealers in Manhattan for $10 and saying it's the real deal. I'm sure if you changed its appearance and modified the look, it'd turn into something quite nice, but until then, it's like saying a cow is a horse just because it also has four legs. (For the record, I love 'em both.)

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Comments

[missmeganmaude.livejournal.com]

Haha!
I didn't really mean to drag the good name of american goths through the mud... afterall, I am one.
But you know how snotty the scene can be!
Maybe the scene isn't so much like that out west where you live, but it can be ridiculously snotty and nasty here. T___T

[spiralstairs.livejournal.com]

We fear the poseurs taking hold of what we love and wrecking it. Which, no thanks to Hot Topic and Linkin Park, is happening at an increasing rate. Goth is like punk. It's pretty much dead, but people like to pretend it's still there. It's not so much being snotty as having pride (which is, actually now that I think of it, the same thing) and it's part of the image that you're aloof and seperate yourself from others so either you are arrogant or you give off the impression you are. Besides, I've found it's quite fun using what they call "S.A.T. words" around the thugs at school. ^_^

[silentsecret428.livejournal.com]

hai ... your first line sounds a little hypocritical. You've also "taken this interest in egl.... as "poseurs take the interest of gothic-ness.....

and...
Apparently goth is nothing like punk... they're meant to be oxymorons. [thanking antimonyandlace a long time ago]

^-n

[spiralstairs.livejournal.com]

Hmmm...::strokes chin. Ponders this:: You're right. I'd like to retract that statement if possible? I didn't give it a read through before submitting. My apologies.

[silentsecret428.livejournal.com]

=n.n=

no, no what if someone else uses the same argument?
...it'd be cruel to copy and paste :)

besides...you have some valid points.

[I just tend to reply on a spur too... i never re read my work..i find that when i do everything changes significantly... and it truly wrecks the emotional out-put i initially use it for.]

which is probably why i never make sense...but never the matter =n.n= i have this habit of analysing texts like crazy... so i often comment ... much to alot of people's dissaproval [not what they expect haha]

but anyway... deleting posts is truly evil... i never remember what i reply to and it often leaves me in a state of confusion hehehehe

anyway.... arigato for understanding haldir-kun
=n.n= sayonara!!

[spiralstairs.livejournal.com]

Oh, no no. I won't delete it unless it violates a rule or something and I'm beaten into submission, but hopefully nobody minds. ^_^

[I just tend to reply on a spur too... i never re read my work..i find that when i do everything changes significantly... and it truly wrecks the emotional out-put i initially use it for.]

Ohhhhhhhhh man. Do I know where you're coming from.

Thanks for being so nice about pointing it out, celestial-san (can I call you shit-san. It's very catchy.). ^_^

::goes back to watching the TTT commentary. Giggles excessively as Boromir's scene is coming up.::

[silentsecret428.livejournal.com]

hehehe shijt-san might look alot more... user-friendly . hehe i like it!!!
hehehe

hehehe :: gurgles :: i be watching card captor sakura...its manically brainwashing...

i'm kind of sad now though....yukito didnt get with sakura..even though i'm happy with what's happened...[yukito/touya and sakura/syaoran]
i just cant.... i mean..imagine if sakura and yukito were together... then she'd also have Yue!!!

and i :: lust :: Yue... [if not love too.. i tell you.. its not infatuation.. i want him to be my guardiannnnn:( how kool would it be!!?!?!] i tell you this is not my world hehehe

anyway... you got watch your Boromir scene...[LOTR...correct?] i'll be gurgling over sakura until [Return of the King] comes out..where i'll watch it..then return to card captor sakura =n.n=

HAI!!!!!!!

have a nice day haldir-kun! :D

[spiralstairs.livejournal.com]

Touya/Yukito forever!

Yup. ^_^ LOTRness and that wonderful heartbreaking new scene in the Extended DVD between brothers. ::weep::

Jaa ne, shit-san!

[silentsecret428.livejournal.com]

hehehe

[if shit gets considered as a profoundly obtrusive..e.t.c word...dont blame me =n.n= i do not endorse the calling of ...names so dont blame me, no?!] hehehehehe


ja ne, haldir-kun!

~shijt-san

[missmeganmaude.livejournal.com]

Well, I fully understand that, but the goth scene is still nasty and snotty and catty amongst it's own members towards it's own members, and that's the vibe I tend to get from this community as well. It's one thing to rally together against poseurs, it's another to be so picky as to never allow any diversity in the group.

I would agree with you to a point that goth is like punk in that they are both dead, but then again, I disagree. It is true, old sk00l goth and punk are both long dead, but the subcultures live on in new evolved forms. There is pop-goth and pop-punk, but that's not what I'm talking about. There is still a strong goth scene in the U.S. as well as a punk scene that have nothing to do with mainstream cultue. The new version of the goth scene is very like the old, it just has new trends and music for a new set of people. Bands like the Cruxshadows have replaced Stabbing Westward, but the people and their attitude are still the same. I really hope I am making any amount of sense at all.
Ah well... cheers to the good old days when good little goths weren't allowed to wear baggy raver pants.
*raises a toast and feels old*

[spiralstairs.livejournal.com]

::raises a toast and also feels old:: All this newfangled rubbish, raver pants and PVC. ::grumbles and wacks poseurs with a walking cane:: And I don't like this evolved business at all. Why couldn't we all just stay as chimps? What's wrong with being a chimp?...all right, lots of things, and being a horse would be far more pleasant, but hell and damnation. ::grunts and hobbles off::

[kebechet.livejournal.com]

You made me snarf my coffee ALL over my keyboard.

HAHAHAHAHHA!

[spiralstairs.livejournal.com]

::offers a handkerchief:: I don't like these tissues either. ^_^ Glad I could brighten your day. ::HUG::

Not terribly germaine to the thread, but...

[zoloft.livejournal.com]

O_O

Generally speaking, I agree with what you say... but implying that Stabbing Westward was ever goth, much less *old school* goth makes me want to scour my eyeballs with brillo pads... or at least have a good, stiff drink. ;D

Listen... can you hear that? It's Rozz Williams kicking in his grave. ;}

For the record, the CXS have been around at least as long as Stabbing Westward, though obviously w/o the mainstream commercial success.

Also for the record, *all* subcultures, or groups of people in general, are snotty & nasty & catty to one another. People suck wherever you go, you just tend to notice it more in the circles in which you most closely associate.

[kebechet.livejournal.com]

I was just teasing. ;) Believe me, I know how snotty people can be, both within and outside of this scene: I live in Los Angeles. =P