American Loli attitudes
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egl_archiveSome american EGL girls, in real life, not online... tend to be *very rude*. Has any one else noticed this? They act like they're better than EVERYONE around them, and not in an 'I'm in character" way. It usually happens at concerts for me.... they'll be all dressed up, and if you say something nice about their costume, they treat you like scum, or think you've never heard of the fashion at all. How can Lolita's be mean?! ;_;
My friend even drew something about it. A
credit to petitkittyalice@aol.com, victorian maiden on LJ.
DISCLAIMER: In NO WAY are either of us attacking all american EGL girls -- just the mean ones. We've never been to other countries, so we don't know if there are mean lolitas there. :D
My friend even drew something about it. A
credit to petitkittyalice@aol.com, victorian maiden on LJ.
DISCLAIMER: In NO WAY are either of us attacking all american EGL girls -- just the mean ones. We've never been to other countries, so we don't know if there are mean lolitas there. :D
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Date: 2003-07-15 10:48 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2003-07-15 10:49 pm (UTC)Re:
Date: 2003-07-15 11:04 pm (UTC)Walks up to professor
Date: 2003-07-16 12:07 pm (UTC)"No.... not 'space" Spaaace. You know, really dramatic like."
*hugs you* You're adorable!
re: run away from american lolis
Date: 2003-07-15 11:05 pm (UTC)i have yet to run into a loli in the street, but that is so silly for them to act like that. how very uncultured! lol! i think it's only americans who put up walls like that and become rude.
*snickers*
Date: 2003-07-15 11:52 pm (UTC)Although I can't agree more. I have met some very nice EGLs (there was one at AX 2003, she had an original BTSSB dress and doll, so cute and nice she was..) in real life..
But the majority are very rude. Very rude. I think it's funny though, I remember reading a code and pledge for Lolitas somewhere (I think it was in one of the Bibles? o.o; can't remember at all. T_T;) and it said something like how Lolitas should always smile and be polite and use the most polite speech and bowing (how cute, I always try to *^_^*).
And then of course, I go off and find some people who tell me to f off when I say their outfit is cute. Figures. ^^;
Then again there are also very rude people online too, but mostly its those people who you would hate meeting in real life. ^^;;
Re: *snickers*
Date: 2003-07-16 12:14 am (UTC)actually... i've encountered girls who think they're so cool... but i end up ignoring them. it's so much more cooler when you've got a bunch of good EGL friends in a bunch... versus one tiny measily lil EGL l33t-ist. hahaha. :X
Re: *snickers*
Date: 2003-07-16 12:21 am (UTC)(kidding, I don't advocate lolita violence in anyway. ^_^)
That girl was very nice and cute, I saw her and asked her for a photo and where she bought all of her things on that Thursday, waiting in line for the Blood/DJ concert. Proves there *are* nice lolitas out there, aside from this list. ^_^ I wonder, then, what Hayato (and all of DJ, too) thinks of all the EGLs they saw at AX. ^^;
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Date: 2003-07-16 08:55 am (UTC)(I've seen a group of lolis in platform mjs attack a group of industrial goths... and win! Ho ho ho, super stompy power! +10 Maryjanes of Stomp!)
Re: *snickers*
Date: 2003-07-16 06:47 am (UTC)Re: *snickers*
Date: 2003-07-16 09:00 am (UTC)*stomps around, pouts... but can't stay that way for long, so beams at everyone*
On a related-yet-different note, I have noticed I have one really nice Lolita trait that a lot of my other goth friends don't have -- when someone tries to take my picture (when I'm dressed up) I smile and pose... I assume the person is trying to, you know, take a snap!
My other goth friends see this is some kind of insult... like "freaks in the zoo" or something... I mean, it might be true, but myu! I like thinking people are taking pictures 'cause I'm pretty and cute. Myu! *hearts*
the code of the gothloli!
Date: 2003-07-16 12:32 am (UTC)I agree, there's always a few bad apples in every group...
...so you just have to make...applesauce :3
Anyways! If you see a little red haired GL girlie at Comicon carrying a little dollie with BIIIIG eyes...That'll be me! I'm really friendly! I'll probably even give you candy *^^*
Re: the code of the gothloli!
Date: 2003-07-16 02:25 am (UTC)Speaking of which... of Loli's with awful attitudes. A loli friend of mine, who goes by the name of Morgan posted on the Black Lolita Mailing List (i'm not sure how many people in this LJ community are in it... so i'm sorry if you're re-reading text) a little bit about loli's with awful attitudes, what kind of loli behavior should be expected. here goes:
"Americans, in the greater part, are not going
to understand Gothic Lolita fashion. While they may
find those of us who dress in the full nine yards of
platform Mary Janes, lace top stockings, lace drenched
dresses, blouses, and parasols, complete with sausage
curls to be charming and eccentric, it is not likely a
fashion that is going to take the nation, nor even the
goth scene, by storm. A toned down version of Gothic
Lolita, simplified dresses and skirts with less lace
and cuts designed for a little more sex appeal, may
however catch on very nicely.
This is advantageous, in a way, as long as a "Lolier
than thou" attitude (to quote an earlier post) does
not develope in those of us who are willing to take
the stares and whispered comments to dress to the
nines. A greater understanding of what Gothic Lolita
is could be fostered, and you may one day find
yourself being approached by a more simplifed Lolita
who will commend your courage to go all the way.
One of the prided virtues of a Gothic Lolita or
Aristocrat, above even fashion as I believe, is
manners. Japanese Goth Lolis culture and cultivate
themselves, they speak in honorific and humble
language when they converse, and school themselves in
grace and good manners. How shameful is it for a
foreign Lolita to be elitist in fashion when s/he
fails so miserably in etiquette?
I humbly ask that at the very least we all mind the
golden rule: to treat others as we would be treated,
and perhaps to follow a bit of Mother's advice: if you
don't have something nice or helpful to say, don't say
anything at all. Finally, I ask that I not be hated
by any for this lengthy discourse and its nature, I
simply feel strongly about the matter of critism,
being some one very sensitive to it myself."
honestly though, i'd have to aggree... that the "Lolier than thou" behaviour is bad! that lolis should be mannerly, kind, prim and proper... that's how good loli's should be. i can't even begin to imagine how loli's could pursue such an attitude! i mean, so the goth loli fashion is very new to me, less then a year, yet i enjoy being in the presence of other loli's those more knowledgeable, and those who are still new to the fashion. it's such a wonderful experience to share with others instead of insinuating such elitist behavior...
okay. i'll stop rambling now. go Loli power and massive innocent platform stomping! with pretty lacy parasol! *prances off*
Re: the code of the gothloli!
Date: 2003-07-16 02:34 am (UTC)Re: the code of the gothloli!
Date: 2003-07-16 08:45 am (UTC)Re: the code of the gothloli!
Date: 2003-07-16 08:53 am (UTC)Re: the code of the gothloli!
Date: 2003-07-16 09:23 am (UTC)Manners are SO important -- a good deal of loli is recapturing a sort of "neo-victorian" life, ne? Manners are the backbone of Victorian behaviour. EGA even more refined, I'd imagine, than cute-playful-little-girl lolita. A thought.
Good manners + sweet personality = cute gothlolis!
Re: the code of the gothloli!
Date: 2003-07-16 12:12 pm (UTC)J/k I'm not violent, unless attacked.
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Date: 2003-07-16 04:06 am (UTC)And I think it's ironic, since about six-nine months ago when I wore my first Loli outfit to a goth club here in floriduh, I had a group of elitist goths laugh at me whenever I was in their vicinity.
I got a similar reaction to my outfits when I did wear gothier outfits to clubs as well. My point? I find it disheartening since we are such a small group[Loli's in the U.S. and other non-asian countries] we should be sticking together!
I can't fathom being rude to someone who was sweet and complimented my outfit, where is their justification?
I'm sorry you had to put up with that...
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Date: 2003-07-16 09:03 am (UTC)*sighs happily* I'm so glad there are good lolis -- true lolis, I'd say. It's all about polite and graceful and sweet!
*hugs everyone* Myuuuuuuuuuuu. *bakes cookies*
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Date: 2003-07-16 09:18 am (UTC)P.S Miwako is my hero she so sweet and kind and cute
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Date: 2003-07-16 09:27 am (UTC)Hee! Me too. Especially since she's sometimes forgetful (like me) but no one minds, since she's nice... ^_~;;;
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Date: 2003-07-16 09:10 am (UTC)I so love people to ask or compliment me about my loli style even if they dont get it. I wore loli most of the time I was at Glastonbury this year I got some really nice comments even thought alot of them thought I was being a french made. which made me giggle.
Surely lolis should be sweet not nasty!
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Date: 2003-07-16 09:32 am (UTC)Myu! Complements should always be graciously accepted, even misguided ones. Especially those. *hearts*
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Date: 2003-07-16 10:07 am (UTC)The only time a Loli should give a "Lolier than thou" look is in her best Mana-sama impression! ^_~
XD
Date: 2003-07-16 11:03 am (UTC)Uhm.. anyway. (I'm not being pervy dammit, i meant like.. fullest bow.. why should i have to explain myself this is a egl group)
It's interesting where this has gone.
I agree with
It's the people who stop and gawk, or laugh, or tease, or the people who scoff (on either side of the coin here, the psuedo-poser EGL's or the people who would think Baby, the Stars Shine Bright is a Frank Sinatra song) who are the real ignorant and close-minded people. .. and should burn and be stomped on with our mary janes... errrm *whistles*
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Date: 2003-07-16 10:51 am (UTC)ergh, AX
Date: 2003-07-16 12:10 pm (UTC)No, I really can't agree trischan with the AX. I met (or at least, met from a distance) some real choice word type of EGL's at AX. I don't want to offend anybody, of course, so I won't really start on it. Yes, there was a handful that I can count one hand who were nice. But all the others were totally rude, and made me sick with what they interpreted as lolita, i.e. this newly dubbed American style. Wayyyyy too short skirts, so short you couldn't even fit a petticoat in there, plus of course torn-up stockings and ripped things (and they weren't going for an h. naoto or alice auaa look, either >_>) and.. if any of my things were ripped I would scream bloody murder.
Plus they were really rude, and scoffed if you didn't bow down at their feet and oggle how they spent 300 or 400 dollars on their outfit, that they claimed to make totally themselves, which was totally false of course.
I'm glad you met some nice ones though ^_^ Welcome to the group ne, dozo yoroshiku~ ^_^
Re: ergh, AX
Date: 2003-07-16 12:28 pm (UTC)Re: ergh, AX
Date: 2003-07-17 12:23 am (UTC)most of the rest were loud and annoying. actually... i purposely wore my Shia costume (from Pita Ten) during the Jrock event w/ the EGL/EGA competition. The next day my friend and i wore our loli outfits. ^.^ that was fun.
maybe i'm just a bit... yeaaaah. o_O;;
but many ppl were kinda snobby and not really mean... but kinda impose that i didn't deserve to be there? (they would say, "So who/what are you supposed to be?") during the jrock event b/c i didnt "dress" in "jrock (or related)" for the event. err yah. the event itself was entertaining... but some of the people there. ~.~;;;;
Re: ergh, AX
Date: 2003-07-17 08:43 am (UTC)Uhm, two friends and I went as Last Letter Kirito, Aiji, and Jun. I *figured* since I've seen soo many Pierrot "fans" online that people would recognize us... wrong. Nobody knew who we were, and when they did the whole big jrock group picture before the jrock event, someone came up to us and went, "You guys are supposed to be jrockers, right?" .. >_>
Of course when I cosplayed as Macabre Kyo the next day everyone knew, shallow if you ask me. And then when I went EGL on Sunday, everyone stared at me acting like I didn't have the right to dress EGL. Whatever, I don't forsee myself going back to AX because of all the shallow, rude people that I had to encounter with. -_- (and don't even get me started with the Duel Jewel concert on Saturday, thats an irrelevant topic) XD
Loli Love
Date: 2003-07-16 12:18 pm (UTC)*cries*
Re: Loli Love
Date: 2003-07-16 03:18 pm (UTC)^_~
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Date: 2003-07-16 12:18 pm (UTC)I don't know about any other lolis here, though, I'm the only one I've heard of in this country... ;___;
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Date: 2003-07-16 01:11 pm (UTC)Re:
Date: 2003-07-16 01:47 pm (UTC)Hee hee! Yeeeeeah come here and do the loli with me!!!!
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Date: 2003-07-16 01:52 pm (UTC)LoL Unique is beautiful! Besides regular goths aren't pretty like lolita! ^_^ Or... as it is written... Lorita. XD
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Date: 2003-07-16 01:58 pm (UTC)...Uhm, I hate to say this, but they are what is... currently popular.
Of course, I'm generalizing :P There are people here who are not sheep!
Nowadays, since the Taiwanese dorama Meteor Garden (the one based on the manga Hana Yori Dango) is so damn popular (and of course, the boyband in it, F4) some guys are starting to sport the pretty asian boy hairstyles XD
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Date: 2003-07-16 02:03 pm (UTC)Yuck! F4 is fulla buncha stupid saghreirfje!!! LoL They aren't pretty... they are scary Chinese guys who are annoying as hell. LoL XD I don't even know why I have a pin of them. I haven't watched Meteor Garden (and don't plan to... they air it in the Philippines?) cuz I don't like silly dramas... >.< I look down at that Vanessa Wu dude... *chews head off* Bwahahah!
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Date: 2003-07-16 02:09 pm (UTC)But my God, they're EVERYWHERE. It's a phenomenon that I can't understand. They're on t-shirts, cell phones, TOWELS, fans, playing cards, you name it, they've got it! There's even a CHEESE SNACK!
DIE F4!!
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Date: 2003-07-16 02:14 pm (UTC)Stupid wussies. XD LoL *glares at Vanessa's chewed off head*
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Date: 2003-07-17 11:38 am (UTC)But I *still* think Vanessa is scary looking guy. ^^; I'll just stick with Hyde. ^_^;
Huh????????
Date: 2003-07-16 05:37 pm (UTC)The only people I'd ever be rude to (although I usually bite my tongue) are stupid and/or drunk men who ask if you're a hooker or something. But if anyone asks politely, I always explain, or if they compliment me I thank them... no need to be rude at all!
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Date: 2003-07-16 11:56 pm (UTC)