Re: Petition for the members of egl.

[avant-gauche.livejournal.com]

If we get a new moderator I think we should make any new rules as democratic as possible.

So with this in mind I think people should put there suggestions with comments what rules we should have. Then I will post some polls for you to vote on.

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[radikal-girl.livejournal.com]

great idea.
Polls!! yeah yeah, i love polls

[xelyna.livejournal.com]

Okay, here's a few suggestions:
- No swearing
- No flaming
- No OT posts
- No OT Auctions
- Use proper spelling and grammar as much as possible
- Moderators to approve every post? (This may not be possible considering the volume)

Something like that.

[seeinglife.livejournal.com]

Swearing doesn't bother me, or a lot of people I think, as long as it isn't every other word. Swearing AT someone, though, is not cool. I'm thinking something along the lines that while disagreements are of course ok, they shouldn't be made personal. A general expectation of civility towards one another.

And I think auctions perhaps should always go behind a cut, making it easier for those who don't want to see them to scroll by? And cuts for large photos or more than two photos as well?

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[xelyna.livejournal.com]

Yes, but swearing isn't elegant, and this is a group for elegant gothic lolitas, ne? Hehehe^^;;
And I think auctions behind a cut is a VERY good idea- I'm on dial-up and the large pictures make my Friend's page take forever to load>_<;;

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[lady-vader.livejournal.com]

I agree with Xelyna here, I do not think that swearing is very elegant... To me swearing is something to use only when one REALLY is upset and when one is that upset one shouldn't post to any LJ community at all. ^^;

But I think that swearing is not the main problem, but attacks and insults. Especially insults that do not have with the matter to do.. >_<;

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[bialopiotrowicz.livejournal.com]

If we're really upset about our sewing machine acting up and we post for help, can we say 'bloody sewing machine' or something? Or is that too OT in the first place...?

- N

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[lady-vader.livejournal.com]

*lol* You're right. I guess that when it comes to such cases (with faulty sewing machine and such) a well-placed word can be ok as long as the entry is not filled with swearing like "my f**ing sewing f**ed up everything I'm f*** fed up with it now". Or what do you know? ^^;;

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[troglitite.livejournal.com]

so basically no unnecessary swearing?

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[seeinglife.livejournal.com]

I'm one of the ones who isn't sold on lifestyle lolita/lolita behavior and thus elegant language doesn't matter to me, particularly when simply discussing it and not being actual in EGL. ;P However, I'm always sold on maintaining civility.

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[uglylittlewhore.livejournal.com]

On a rare occasion, I think swearing is necessary to make a particular point. I like to think that nearly everyone here is mature enough to realize that these are just words, words that people use, and words that won't hurt you if you read them. I think a, "No swearing! Ever! At all!" sort of rule is too over-arching, and a little patronizing.

Actually, I haven't noticed a big problem with excessive swearing on this board. Yes, recently there have been some nasty posts, but the ones in question were offensive because of the catty, immature attitudes of the people involved more than the language that they used. If there were a mod, this sort of snotty flame-mongering could just be deleted.

[aitreni.livejournal.com]

Some swearing doesn't bother me if it's not excessive. Personal attacks do. One thing I *really* hate on my own BBS is when people bring flamewars originally started somewhere else, as if it wasn't bad enough where it was.

Trolling should be prohibited. It hasn't really been much of a problem here but I want to mention it anyway...

I personally hate ALL auction posts even if they're on-topic and would love to see them completely moved to a "sale" community. But if that's impossible then they should at least not be OT...

Considering the recent "kerfluffle", perhaps direct-linking to any images not on one's own site should be prohibited?

And definitely lj-cutting of large photos!

If possible, I think there should be several moderators, preferably living in different time zones.

[czol.livejournal.com]

-No excessive swearing, perhaps?
-No flaming
-A suggestion to calm down, if you see something you think is offensive. Many flamewars on here seem to start when someone gives an honest opinion, or makes a correction or something, & several people respond to tell them they're being nasty. Of course all these posts are generally far nastier than the original. The poster responds defensively... & it goes down from there. So a suggestion to look at a meaasge & ask yourself if it really is offensive, or are you just taking it badly.
-LJ-cutting large pics & long posts.
-Perhaps disabling anonymous posting to deter trolls? (Yeah, I know someone on a recent thread said they liked using LJ but didn't want to join - that doesn't make sense to me: either you like it or you don't *shrug*)


And, not rules as such, but perhaps linking to some related communities, both by joining them so they're listed in the 'member of' list, & in the 'about me' so people can't miss them (hopefully). I'm thinking of communities like eglshop & loli_for_sale (so people know where to post auctions, which will save a lot of bother about 'are ads acceptable' debates). Also local communities, such as loligothuk, broderieanglais & nylolitas. So that people know of communites in their country/area. Again, this saves a lot of 'did you know about this community?' posts. (I know there are other local communities - these were all I could think of)

[bialopiotrowicz.livejournal.com]

metamorphique makes posts friends-only to keep the community rules at the top of the journal page, seeing as many people don't read the info page. If we do something like that, perhaps we can make sure everyone is aware of the rules, and that everyone is aware of the other communities. I like most of their rules...they're just a little strict for me.

A lot of the suggestions already posted here were good. Yay! :D I just disagree about swearing (I have the mouth of a sailor -_-;;). I liked the suggestion that 'excessive swearing' should be forbidden. I also liked the comment that swearing at other members is a bad thing. Bad, bad, bad thing. I will try to keep swearing around here to a minimum, anyway, by the way...heh.

- N

[uglylittlewhore.livejournal.com]

I'm still not sure how this "new moderator" plan is going to work. Is someone going to take this to the proprietors of LiveJournal? Can even they do anything about it?

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[avant-gauche.livejournal.com]

yes there is a petition a couple of posts back

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[uglylittlewhore.livejournal.com]

I know that there's a petition, but I'm not sure what good it will do. Is there a LiveJournal policy that allows inactive moderators to be booted if there's enough support for it?

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[loli-miyoko.livejournal.com]

It won't happen. I can bet on it, and it wouldn't be fair either to the people who'd like to be mod but don't end up as mod.

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[czol.livejournal.com]

it wouldn't be fair either to the people who'd like to be mod but don't end up as mod.

That's just about the silliest thing I ever heard. We shouldn't have a new mod, because not everyone who wants the post can have it? (AFAIK, no one has volunteered yet, or been asked) *rolls eyes*

Reminds me of those playschool teachers who banned musical chairs because they felt it was cruel to the kids who couldn't get to a chair fast enough.

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[loli-miyoko.livejournal.com]

I already don't like you since I know you're a bitch (one of my friends knows you). It's not silly, it's logical to know that if you were to ask the group that a good amount would want mod status.

Bad comparison.

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[serpentbearer.livejournal.com]

I don't know that a lot of people would want to moderate this group. It's fairly high volume, and there has been a lot of arguing - anyone who takes it on is going to have to be fairly active. We'll probably need a few moderators anyway. And surely having active mods is better than having no mod at all, even if some people are disappointed bacause they can't moderate?

And please, there was no need to call Crowmaiden names, whatever your gripe with her it can surely be left outside the community? Especially considering that we're discussing ways of making the community a nicer place for everyone.

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[loli-miyoko.livejournal.com]

I guess we all have different opinions on that. I personally wouldn't like the fact of mods being chosen at random but I also know that LJ is assanine about their rules and won't let anyone take over the community. They won't even delete a journal if no ones used it in like 2 years. I was just simply saying that if that were a possibility at all it wouldn't be fair to everyone, or at least those who'd like to mod.

Me and my friends have big issues with crowmaiden, and I'd prefer if she didn't reply to me anymore. So, if she didn't speak to me I'd be a lot nicer about it and be all happy.

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[czol.livejournal.com]

Really? And what friends are these?

Seriously - I would love to know.

[callmeemma.livejournal.com]

this isn't exactly a rule, but it would be really nice to put posts with information and answers to common questions (how to make a circle skirt, egl shopping in tokyo, differences between ega and egl, etc) in the memories. then point out the memories page in the info.

and i would be happy to see no more auctions here.

[lucibaby.livejournal.com]

I don't like to be ruse about some things, but I definitely think that anyone who posts auctions and starts "flame wars" (or whatever they may be called) should be automatically banned. It just seems so useless to continue to complain about these things, people don't seem to get it.

Again, like I said, a bit harsh, but it will make EGL a better place.

[christinablue.livejournal.com]

1. Use simple manners when posting. No excessive swearing or arguing. If you have a problem with a certain member or post, simply let the moderators know.

2. Please try to use proper grammar and spelling when posting. Not everyone can read your own personal keyboard language.

3. Advertisments for auctions mostly not accepted. If you would like to post your auction, please check out eglshop. There are exceptions to the rule, please look at the FAQ for more information.

4. Community advertising is not allowed unless it is directly related to EGL.

I think we should also have a big reference FAQ page, or something. :)

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[christinablue.livejournal.com]

Pfft. Most of those were already posted. >.

[0260clothing.livejournal.com]

I petition we cease all these "moderating ideas" posts and get back to EGL.