thank youuuuuu!!!

[lilrudegirl.livejournal.com]

a BIIIIGGGG thanks to everyone whos posted back to my questions..they helped me out a LOTTT! (keep posting or contact me if you want to add anything else)

so, it looks like you guys pretty much agreed on the same things. you want a size variety thats not outrageously priced that plays more on the lolita side than the goth side. right? well, let me tell you what i already had in store:
*I love using softer fabrics that arent used that often anymore, for instance, poplin. i LOOOVE poplin. its cheap and it works well (good for you guys, too! no ironing!) i like using simple lace as well, usually eyelet or something cotton based. most of the stuff thats sold on ebay DOESNT have that, and it looks incredibly cheap.
*When i learned about marketing, i saw that most junior markets dont go that high in sizes. that upset me. i used to have a weight problem, and shopping was horrible for me, and that wasnt too long ago, so i can relate. especially for finding cute stuff! i plan on making all sizes. and if i dont make the size you wear, ill custom fit you!
* Everywednesday said something about emphasizing the waist and how its a bad thing...well, let me tell you something..most designer companies these days work with models with NO FIGURE. in my experimenting, making things tighter in the waist and more loose in the bust makes me look like ive got some kickin' curves. i even tailor my t shirts so theyre like that. i get tons of compliments. i refuse to go by most regular sizing standards. i have a 36 bust and a 28 waist. a lot of shirts look dumb on me cause my bust isnt big enough for them. its all loose...so, i do plan on having different waist and bust sizing to fit everyones needs...

about the dolls too....i was going to include that ANYWAYS! thinking of a inspiration for a season is the first thing you do. mine is "want to be a doll?" so all my designs WILL have matching dolls.
again, if you read all of this, thank you! im trying really hard to get into the fashion industry and getting to know what people want will help me get there. either comment back on this, email me, IM me...whatever!!!! thanks!
-jo

Comments

[himemiyadariram.livejournal.com]

I would personally like some dresses that *aren't* that fitted in the waist, or some lolita sets (matching skirt and shirt type of stuff ^^) because elastic is my friend! I'm a plus size, and I have a waist that is not significantly smaller than my bust (actually, its about the same ^^;;;) Because of this, I can't even look at square dance dresses, or most things they sell online ^^

[mmymoon.livejournal.com]

Good-luck-good-luck! *dances*

I so agree that most of the stuff floating around looks cheap -- in all honesty, even though satin is pretty, unless it's the super-good (super expensive) kind, it just starts looking... eh... after a while. (Or in excess...) I got a bunch of satin during a huge sale, so I went nuts and made a bunch of dresses -- they just wrinkle so easily. *bounces* I need to find a place that sells nice poplin around here. Cotton-based stuff is also nice because it BREATHES, which is really important when you have 20 layers of petticoat and skirt on. ^_~

The gothic/lolita question always comes up among my friends, but I think that egl has a pretty wide range within itself, no? (I always end up mixing too much cyber into my wardrobe... curse you, hot pink! CURSE YOU!) This (http://www.neitherland.com/hyperballad/candy/files/gothiclolita/vol4/006.jpg) is my favorite "gothic" egl ad.

And while I feel for everyone's various different figures and shopping problems (we're all very different shapes!) I'm a big fan of the waist. My bust is noticably -- some say "ridiculously" -- larger than my waist (44-32-42), and it's a snot trying to find dresses that realize one's boobs may have to fit. What a great idea to offer various cuts and styles! Too many people only make the same sort of thing... sigh... our local fashion design club always has the figureless model-clothes.

Dollies! Are you going to make the doll base, or are you making doll clothes to fit a certain size of doll?

[lilrudegirl.livejournal.com]

yeah, that whole satin thing makes me want to PUKE! too much satin=disgusting. i dont even like satin or silk PJ's or undies!!
i really like using polin though cause i live in ARIZONA! its sooo hot here when youre wearing a completely black or dark maroon ensamble with a petticoat or bloomers, thigh highs, black shoes and all that jazz...makes you want to just sweat your internal organs out!

i got the idea for a slightly custom fit (bust/waist) from guys' jeans. i CANT wear girls' jeans. i hate them. so i'd buy guys' jeans cause theyre leg/waist fit. and you can have them AT your waist or slung low. i love that. some chicks with smaller busts (like me!) can get the fluffed bust tops that make us look a bit more even with a tighter waist. and girls with an about even bust/waist ratio can get things that are cut to make the waist look smaller. ive done a lot of research into silhoettes (how things make you shaped) and i realized most clothes on the market these days dont pay attention to that anymore like they did in the 50s. poor girls these days gotta deal with unfitting rags! im going to fix that..

In defence of my alledged CHEEP product

[rose-thorn.livejournal.com]

since I am the biggest seller of egl product on ebay. Wouldnt I love to be able to make the quality of say Baby ssb, but NOBODY outside of Japan will pay for what it is really worth, or even close. I dont live with my mommy, this is my livelyhood not a hobby. Ask anybody who has bought from me, my product IS high quality, the profit I make is PATHETIC, I work 24/7 and the last thing I need is this constant kick in the teeth. Re fabric, I use satin BECAUSE it is higher quality than the broadcloth type cotton that I would be able to use in relation to what people will pay. I challange anyone to buy a small amount of broadcloth or poplin, wash it once or twice, now ask yourself if you would really want to pay $200 for a dress that would look like that s**t that you are left with.

Re: In defence of my alledged CHEEP product

[himemiyadariram.livejournal.com]

You have cheap bows. They're like, folded ribbon, not knotted or anything. You could at least make fake bows, where you put a piece of ribbon over the crossing and sew it.
Satin looks horrible in pictures, and doesn't look good on large people. It's hard to clean, and hard to travel with. A plainer fabric would be easier to take care of, and easier to wear.

That is what makes your garments look cheap on ebay. There, I said it.

Re: In defence of my alledged CHEEP product

[rose-thorn.livejournal.com]

So I should spend hours making perfect bows, so that instead of making $5.00 an hour I can make $3.00 instead? How would you like it if your boss came in and told you your time was only worth that and so that was all you were getting on your next check

Re: In defence of my alledged CHEEP product

[himemiyadariram.livejournal.com]

That would take 3 extra minutes. Not hours. Please. You don't lose $2 an hour making bows that dont look like sh*t.

What does that have to do with anything? Did you just make up something so you'd have a retort?

Re: In defence of my alledged CHEEP product

[rose-thorn.livejournal.com]

YOU were the one who brought it up not me. But dont worry, this is the last post you will get from me.

Re: In defence of my alledged CHEEP product

[himemiyadariram.livejournal.com]

o.o You're trying to defend yourself in front of potentiial customers, you realize. You could just confront the problem and say something about it instead of making sh*it up.

And you know, for someone who doesn't "live with mommy", you don't have very good spelling or grammar. One would think someone who could have their own business could type above the level of a grade schooler.

Re: In defence of my alledged CHEEP product

[himemiyadariram.livejournal.com]

lilrudegirl, i'm sorry to argue like this on your post ;-;

Re: In defence of my alledged CHEEP product

[lilrudegirl.livejournal.com]

hey, its okay. i didnt think itd get a rise out of anyone. everyones entitled to their own opinions, and someone can think poplin is shit. i do use other fabrics, but im not a fan of satin.
baby, the stars shine bright dont use satin. ive seen their products and all their products are either polyblend cotton or very light fabrics. im trying to immitate that quality in a way, but with my own spins on it. (my lolita designs are and arent like what you see in japanese brands)
the reason why japanese brands are so expensive though is because think of it: the japanese economy has more value than ours. their minimum wage is about $8 whereas ours is $5.15. that makes everything in their economy more expensive, therefore making clothing more expensive....plus wanting a designer name. ouch. talk about huge loss of money....
that, and if you know about retail, it goes like this: everything you buy is 4 times what it cost to make them. say you buy something that ends up being $40.00
takes them $10 to make it.
they sell it to the store to make double profit. ($20)
store sells it to you to make double profit as well. ($40)
phew! ive been doing so much typing...im out!

Re: In defence of my alledged CHEEP product

[debu-chan.livejournal.com]

I challange anyone to buy a small amount of broadcloth or poplin, wash it once or twice, now ask yourself if you would really want to pay $200 for a dress that would look like that s**t that you are left with.

Re: In defence of my alledged CHEEP product

[iamdollface.livejournal.com]

Sigh, I don't remember anyone fingering Rose and Thron for being cheap, but since she jumped in, it is not impossible to make a quality product and still have it be affordable. I'm from NYC, indi-designer central, and there are people who do it. I make my own products for a living too, and I really don't think that much about my "hourly wage". You can't do that if you are just starting out and trying to make a name for yourself, and I've been doing it for almost six years. Make the best item you can and sell it for however much the market dictates (but I'm sure they mentioned that in your design class).

Anyway, good luck to you, Lilrudegirl with your project. I would love to see what you come up with.

Cheers,

Anna

Re: In defence of my alledged CHEEP product

[lilrudegirl.livejournal.com]

thank you so much! im pretty lucky and i still live at home. my design teacher told me to take advantage of this time and write about what inspires me 24/7 cause this is my "genius time".
im lucky that im not doing it for a full time job yet, but i can still test the waters. im having tons of fun doing it too.
once i get the hang of things, ill sell on ebay. i cant wait!

bravo!!!

[ashna.livejournal.com]

Some curves sounds like a plan!! I'm having trouble find clothes my bust fits in and in poportion to my height I'm NOT that big.
I hope you do well because it sounds like your putting alot of thought into this.
I also agree on the satin thing. I hate satin in clothes to me it's too light and cold for vancouvers wet damp wet chilly wet climate. I'm always craving those warm cottons which stay warm even if they get damp. ^__^ Oh and I was busy and never got back to your questions but I prefere a very elegant lolita look. If I go little girly it's ALL in black with thick velvet and it's always something like a Moi Meme Moitte outfit when I'm done.
Good luck!

Re: bravo!!!

[lilrudegirl.livejournal.com]

i hate to say it, but i dont like using a lot of velvet unless its that ultra luxurious kind!! i dont know about you, but it annoys the crap outta me when i look down all i see is dusty particle stuff and dog hair...not a look im trying to go for...thanks for replying!
mwah!

Re: bravo!!!

[ashna.livejournal.com]

*sigh* yeah I hate lint. I only use the nice velvet too. I live in a house with two cats, two dogs that's cleaned once a week. I wonder how my skirt stays black with all the dust floating around. And it's only the one outfit which stays safely in a dust free drawer until I wear it. Blah I think it needs a dry cleaners now...

[iamdollface.livejournal.com]

Good for you! BTW, There are my L.E. dolls http://members.aol.com/angeldevildolls/vinyl.html and I know that they aren't Super Dollfies but I would so love to get together with a designer like Volks does in Japan with Bssb and etc.....

Later,

Anna

[hagiology.livejournal.com]

I don't think satin necesarily looks cheap... I think it's really more of a matter of matte fabric vs shiny fabric... if you take a look at lolita clothing, none of it is shiny... it's inspired by victorian/edwardian era fashion... you just don't see satin dresses coming out of that era. that's my only beef with satin egl outfits.

[hagiology.livejournal.com]

...as well as stretch velvet/velour... it just doesn't have the same nap as velvet. it reminds me of bad prom dresses from the mid 90s o_o

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[lilrudegirl.livejournal.com]

hahha!! EXACTLY!!!!!!!

[lilithnotunique.livejournal.com]

It all sounds, awsome, I love the idea of focusing on the waist. I have the same measurements as you, so yeah... When do you think you're going to have all this up and going? The only thing I have to disagree with is all this argument about satin. I love satin, and I don't think it look cheap... It feels so nice too. But a variety of fabrics is fun. I love mixing different textures together. A satin skirt is gorgeous with a fishnet shirt ontop of a black cotton tank top. Not too EGL, but I still like it. Good luck with everything, and let me know when/where you're going to start this all...

Lilith

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[lilrudegirl.livejournal.com]

tonite i drew out three croquix. after that ill draw the flats (i do things backwards). then, ill make the patterns. size them. make the patterns. then sew.
i sew VERY fast.
i made the award-winning punk rock prom dress (making me punk rock prom queen) in three days.(punk rock prom is a "formal show" in my area every year)

[lilithnotunique.livejournal.com]

Oh, awsome!! Are you going to sell the stuff on ebay? I can't wait to see your designs. Can you scan the croquix and post them? And do you still have pictures of the dress? Good luck with everything!

Lilith